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FK2 Should you trust your local Honda Dealership.

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Recently i had a Honda free healthcare check on my 2015 fk2 gt . This took around 15 to 20 mins and a report came back to me which reported that there was an oil leak from the gearbox area and suspect rear main oil seal but will require gearbox removing to investigate further. Cost to remove gearbox £615.60 .Cost for 4 wheel alignment after gearbox and subframe removal £85
a bit of a frightener at first. But as discussed on here previously a big cost just to investigate what might not even be a leak from the rear main seal. All this came about when I scraped the Strakes (air deflectors) located in front of the front wheels on a dip in the road that suddenly appeared like they do and
had a good look with me ultrafire super bright led torch and as I was shining past the air vents located at the front of the underbody panels it looked like there was some oil under the engine I couldn't see a drip but looked like it had run so I mentioned it to my Honda dealer to have a look when they did the health check. For all I know it could be oil that has got there from spillage on a previous service or top up. Interesting to note that the oil level on the dipstick hasn't moved from a tiny bit below max in the year I've had it. I have since had a 2nd and third opinion one of which is an engine builder specialist.They both told me not to worry and live with it as if it was serious the oil level would have come down and oil would have found its way out of the back of the underbody panels. So I'm monitoring the oil level on the dipstick frequently.
In addition to above on the report it said that the rear discs were heavily lipped and pitted and that the inner pads were 80 -90% worn. I thought how can you see the inner pads without taking the wheels off,which I'm sure they didn't in the time it took to do the health check. They quoted me under honda fixed service pricing £308.
I have since priced the parts up from Cox motor parts which came to £170.46 then all I need is a garage to fit them, and charge for the labour which must surely work out a lot less than £308.00. I've spoken to my local guy who tells me they and many garages will not fit customer supplied parts as they become liable if anything goes wrong and cannot guarantee that parts are genuine. It's only August when I had the car mot'd and yes was to!d I've got approx 4000 miles left on all pads and considering I don't drive on my brakes and approx do an annual mileage of 2000 miles I am well covered. The car passed the mot with no advisories and the brake efficiency was up to scratch. So I've decided to check the brakes in around 6 months time advised by the guy who did my mot and have a look when I wash the car. In any case the pads have an audible spring that's designed to squeal when the pads are critical.
Finally they noted there was no history of the Aircon being serviced. But was checked when I bought it last year and when switched on is freezing.I also switch it on throughout the year to keep the seals lubricated. For the service they quoted me £65.00. which I feel is totally unnecessary. I would welcome your thoughts and opinions .

Regards Fred.
 
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They are a business and not a charity fred.
Most dealers charge upwards of £100 per hour.
I'm sure that they would check all other possible parts of the car that could cause your oil leak before they remove a gearbox.




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And I wouldn't just live with the oil leak.
Hot turbo engine and oil everywhere is a potential disaster waiting to happen.
Keep a fire extinguisher handy man.

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Good dealers are out there but only a few unfortunately,
I trusted mine until they all cleared my health check last year then the car instant failed the MOT for wire showing on the inside tread, and I'm still waiting for a price on a seat which will be 2 weeks this Friday since I contacted them :rolleyes:
Brakes aren't Worth the price, they're bog standard Brembo which on Eurocarparts are about 30 quid even cheaper when they have 50% offers
 
We don' t even know if there is a leak ,as I say a spillage may have run down the engine and blew back.the oil is on the underside of the bellhousing and not the block. Honda are not sure how it got there and the oil on the dipstick hasn't moved in a year. I'll post on here how things progress. Regards Fred.
 
I will await your thread on "my engine has seized"

Or "my gearbox ran dry of oil"



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I will await your thread on "my engine has seized"

Or "my gearbox ran dry of oil"



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I very much doubt either will happen! as the transmission fluid is green and the oil is dark but and as I say the oil level is up to max.
But thanks for your input! Regards
 
Good dealers are out there but only a few unfortunately,
I trusted mine until they all cleared my health check last year then the car instant failed the MOT for wire showing on the inside tread, and I'm still waiting for a price on a seat which will be 2 weeks this Friday since I contacted them :rolleyes:
Brakes aren't Worth the price, they're bog standard Brembo which on Eurocarparts are about 30 quid even cheaper when they have 50% offers

The seat wouldn't be a new drivers one by any chance? Please let me know if it is as I could be interested. I have seen the cover of a used one for sale so they must come off and should be able to get them. The used one had a lot of bolster wear so I wasn't interested. My bolster hasn't worn since I've had it but has some wear from the previous owner.
Regards Fred.
 
Replacement Seat cover is £233.99 from Cox Honda (lower cover only)
Cox can't price a full seat due to so many components and they can't deliver that anyway, dealer only part I'm told but as said above mine seems to have forgotten about me
 
That's good to know as the bolster as you get in seems to be the one that gets wear. I wonder if they just zip off ?. Cox usually are pretty good. But it seems to be the norm these days you have to chase everything up. Please keep in touch as to how you get on with the cover.
Regards Fred.
 
i think they're clipped in, like a plastic channel that turns 180 on itself.

picture of the base of seats when i did car audio stuff:
HObf5ec.jpg
 
Replacement Seat cover is £233.99 from Cox Honda (lower cover only)
Cox can't price a full seat due to so many components and they can't deliver that anyway, dealer only part I'm told but as said above mine seems to have forgotten about me
Hi Dweezle, I just wonder if you ever get your seat sorted.
When I got my fk2 over a year ago I noticed a minute hole at the bottom of the vertical bolster on the side you get in and I thought it would be ok and was caused by the previous owner, however I noticed recently it has got slightly larger so I must rub it as I get in and out.I've been in touch with Honda uk re the possibility of getting a new back part upholstery Like you said you can and Honda uk contacted my local dealer whom in turn rang me to say yes you can get both the backrest and base Replacement upholstery. I was quoted £448.93 for the backrest and £205.20 for the base but would need to confirm if that was inclusive of vat. At those prices I think it would be.
The service manager said it probably would be much cheaper to find a car seat upholsterer to fix the hole. He went on to say to repair a section would need around 3hrs to change and then once fitted there would be creases in various part of the cover which would take quite a while to come out. So im currently at a stage of finding a upholsterer who ideally could fix the hole with the seat still in the car or with the seat out. If so before I would get it done the things I would need to know :- a the torque settings of the seat bolts.b:- how to disconnect the electrics under the seat. Then how to reset the airbag warning light on the dash, Honda would probably do this for me. I was told by a bodyshop guy that When a seat is Replacement it is policy to fit new bolts that come pre locktited so once the bolts are torqued up they can't come loose. Finally with the seat being so larger extreme care would be needed by the upholsterer not to catch any of the car interior with the seat base on the way out. Aplogies for such a long reply but I think it need to be thought out by us before handing our price and joy to someone to do a job and what we need to discuss with them. All the best Fred
 
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i think they're clipped in, like a plastic channel that turns 180 on itself.

picture of the base of seats when i did car audio stuff:
HObf5ec.jpg

Hi Veehexx, I just wanted to ask you, when you took your drivers seat out i'm assuming it was your drivers seat if it was a difficult job? Did the bolts come out easily? and how did you disconnect the wires underneath and are all the connectors colour coded so its straight forward to reconnect when refitting the seat.Is there plenty of room to get the seat out as its quite large. I was told that its hondas policy to when refitting a seat to use new bolts and to use locktite so theres never a chance of them coming loose. He did say they sell new bolts prelocktited. What torque setting did you use on the bolts when tightening?
My reason for asking all these questions is i need some work on My drivers seat upholstery and the seat will have to come out unless they can fix it while its in the car.
I hope you may be able to help me .
Regards Fred.
 
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Nope,
Got nowhere with 2 dealers my dealer basically forgot to pass my enquiry over to parts department and a dealer that comes highly recommended didn't even bother replying, So I basically ignored it and cracked on with house stuff.

I actually got back around to it this afternoon and sent some messages, replacement seat, aftermarket or full on custom design, aftermarket I'd prefer matching fronts and from researching there's no way of deleting the passenger pressure weight sensor thingy.

Upholstery there's these chaps https://individualautodesign.co.uk/ they did an FK2 (reg looks forum familiar) in leather https://m.facebook.com/SeatskinzUk/...dard-to-custom-and-now-with/1709205722495680/

The fk8 once again beats the fk2 for "mods' it has the better option for covers https://www.carseatcover.eu/car-seat-covers-honda-civic-type-r/

I just wish the FK2 would get some much needed attention from companies, being global it's all fk8 fk8 fk8, they have some cracking attention to detail mods.

EDIT*
The carseatcover link actually has a nice set for the FK2 in its gallery
 
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Hi dweezle, thanks for your quick reply. Has your seat got wear like mine? It's a shame that they maybe wern't designed better as with the bolsters the size they are its inevitable that wear will occur. My cars immacculate everywhere apart from the creases in the base and vertical bolsters. I'm sure I or we will get the problem sorted. My fk2 is a 2015 model so I suppose the bolsters have held up fairly good and once sorted will last as long again. I was told by My local honda dealer bodyshop manager that if the airbag wires underneath the seat are disconnected they will be recognised as a break in the circuit and will flag up on the dash and he told me that he could reset it for me. So if yours is still indicating on the dash it can be reset.
Many thanks for your help
Regards Fred.
 
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Mine had the usual creases before I put a cover on it, not sure now but seeing as the side frame has completely snapped I'm assuming it's overly creased, but now being flat the difference is enjoyable, no awkward entering/exiting, no bolster digging in,
The frame work underneath isn't that well put together, the bolster frame is basically 2 decent tack welds, would of preferred some reinforcement in the bolsters seeing as they take the brunt
 
The side frame completely snapped, thats not good design considering The rest of The car. Im sure it could be sorted at reasonable cost. As you say no more hurdling over The bolster. The only few occasions when ive got my
Exit method wrong and bolster up my rear end is what causes The creases in The fabric then getting in and out rubs and wears. My daughter made the comment when i was on about the tiny hole in the side bolster "does it stop you driving the car" to which i could only answer "never".
Regards Fred.
 
Fk2 looks superior compared to the fk8 the front end looks like American muscle car and the exhaust looks a right mess.im not saying it’s a bad car but looks are not a patch on the fk2
 
Hi Veehexx, I just wanted to ask you, when you took your drivers seat out i'm assuming it was your drivers seat if it was a difficult job? Did the bolts come out easily? and how did you disconnect the wires underneath and are all the connectors colour coded so its straight forward to reconnect when refitting the seat.Is there plenty of room to get the seat out as its quite large. I was told that its hondas policy to when refitting a seat to use new bolts and to use locktite so theres never a chance of them coming loose. He did say they sell new bolts prelocktited. What torque setting did you use on the bolts when tightening?
My reason for asking all these questions is i need some work on My drivers seat upholstery and the seat will have to come out unless they can fix it while its in the car.
I hope you may be able to help me .
Regards Fred.
not difficult at all. disconnect wiring, 4 bolts to the floor, seatbelt anchor (iirc plastic cover needs to be pressed inwards and slid up) and out the seat comes.
just going off my photo; all colour coded. being airbag, it's usually recommended to disconnect battery for 30mins before working on the car, so do that, grab a brew and gather your tools. i rememebr the seat being close to the floor, so i'd go with remove front bolts, loosen the rear and tilt the seat back so you can access the connectors.

two ways to manage the seat; remove it from driver door... you'll need to lay the seat backwards then rotate 90deg so the bit where your pelvis goes, is against the B-pillar to get it out of drivers door, or possibly the easier way is to fold rear seats down and pull the seat out through the boot.

i just went with feel for the bolts. if Honda wont give you the torque, use standard torque figures (https://www.boltdepot.com/fastener-information/bolts/Metric-Recommended-Torque.aspx). I'm guessing they're m10 8.8grade.
I very likely did loctite mine using the blue stuff, but thats more down to whatever i had in the toolbox rather than specifically chosen.
 
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