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Power Cap

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Do many people use them? If so what are the advantages, as I dont have one.......put dont seem to have the need to use one. Just a lad at work said 'everyone' had them.....just wondered if they were essensial? When my tunes are blasting out, the head unit doesnt dim, or neither do the lights etc....

Cheers
 
The cars electrical system is simply not designed to push your subs to the limit. Your battery and alternator are only capable of delivering a constant stream of power, but for really thumping bass you need to deliver massive pulses of energy to your speakers.

To get around this you need to run the stream of power from your car into a reservoir and let your subs suck out all the power they need as they need it (your cars electrical system will fill the reservoir between the beats).

For reservoir read Power Cap

Your choice really :wink: :wink:
 
Where is Hatto when you need him? :lol:

Its a long winded explanation but, to cut a long story short you would be better off with an uprated battery or an extra battery rather than a power cap.
 
Interested in hearing that explanation Funky.

An uprated battery like a Stinger is gonna cost a whole lot more though.

But i'm no I.C.E expert so always willing to learn more. :wink:
 
Its complicated and I dont understand most of it myself :oops: all to do with physics etc... but if your brain can take the strain have a look here for a detailed explanation, its a long post but bear with it and all will be explained:

http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=82678

I think Dalco does a good deal on uprated batterys, not sure which one Mr. Zippo has got but he paid just over £100 for it from Dalco.
 
An uprated battery is not as good as a cap.A bigger battery will only give your system longer running time when the engine is off. when the engine is running the battery does very little as most of the load is supplied by the alternator,the alt and batt cannot supply the instantaneous current required by the amp to drive the sub, the cap discharges instantly then charges instantly to keep up with the music.just adding a big battery will not make your bass any better.
A cap can also help your cars performance as it helps to smooth the voltage.Some leading audio manufs are working on this theory at the mo.
The buddy club and apexi stabalisers are a couple of small caps in a box with an integrated earthing system.
 
Funky is right, there was a massssive post about this ages ago.

Think the argument went something like the powerCap becomes a drain on your battery, as it will have a voltage drop across it, therefore all it does is iron out dips in power due to bass notes....but at the same time the overal maximum clout you will be getting is diminished.

Whereas a power battery will be able to deliver the required voltage even with the added load of the amps etc....

will try and find the post.
 
for people who are members:

http://www.civictype-r.co.uk/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=45682

or:

There are a few benefits to using a cap in a daily driver. The cap installed near the amp is able to discharge faster then the battery upfront. This allows for less strain on the alt. due to the fact that there is less resistance compared to pulling the same amount of current all the way from the battery (resulting in a lower voltage at the amplifier). The cap will recharge quicker then any of us can measure so don't worry about it only helping the first hit. One major problem is most people that need a cap are usually maxing out their amplifiers consistently, as opposed to someone that uses them to "critically listen" to music. When the gains are set properly the amp is very dynamic, some beats on the drum are not as loud as others, and you can tell the difference. In that scenario the cap helps on the big swings. When pounding down the street with a bass CD in, the amp is not "swinging" at all, it is constantly using everything it has, and this is using more current then the alt. and battery want to give up. This is why your lights dim on every bass note. The chance of a 1 farad cap helping this are very slim to none. The reason is the alt. can't keep up and charge the battery and the cap. A bigger alt. would be the way to go. Or for a quick fix add a second battery in the trunk. This will help with the lights dimming and put more power in the back (because it stores more energy then a cap). You still have the problem that the alt. cannot put out enough juice to properly charge both batteries (that means charge them and maintain them at 14.4v) The trade off here is the same reason that the caps don't work for SPL-----

The extra battery and the cap both become a load to the alternator.(just like your amp is a load on the battery and the alt.) So the alternator basically "bogs" down and the operating voltage will be lower with more "loaded" on it. Your spl numbers will go down as the voltage goes down (NOT AS NOTICEABLE WITH A TIGHTLY REGULATED POWER SUPPLY). This is why most guys in street class gain almost a dB when they take out their caps. They have raised the operating voltage of their amps.(remember this is only for a short burp).Much in the way that ss and extreme guys "up" their voltage to get more power out of their amps.(remember that an amplifier steps voltage up inside so 1 volt difference can be a lot of power------ 12v in x3=36v+ and 36v- =72v across speaker leads now square that and divide by 4 ohm load= 1296 watts...... now with a 13v supply 13 x3=39+,39-=78v x 78v=6084/4=1521
1521-1296= 225 watts difference by maintaining 1 volt higher)(keep in mind your 4 ohm speaker has an impedance curve that is much higher then 4 ohms at most frequencies so real power is much lower)

The way caps have helped in most cars is that the alternator now has another load. This load now lowers the average operating voltage of the cars electrical system example:

Before system- car running nothing else on 14.4v

Add system- system down 14.2v- when bass CD is pumping- 12.4

Now your electrical system is varying between 12.4 and 14.4v---- a 2 volt swing

Now add in a cap or two and the system now charges at 13.4v

Now your system will still dip close to the same 12.4v, but the high is now only 13.4= a 1 volt swing

Now your headlights dim half as much because there is only half the swing in voltage.

Now if you put a second battery in the back (more storage) the operating voltage will drop even more, lets say 13 volts (now you are barely charging the batteries without upgrading your alternator) By adding the battery in the back, you no longer are loosing voltage along the wire from the front battery. Also you have a lot of storage (2 batteries) so when you bass it up the power is coming mostly from the batteries and the alternators job is just to charge those batteries. So now when the amp hits a big rolling bass note the batteries will only drop to 12.6v

Now your swing is from 12.6-13v and .4 voltage drop on a headlight or dash light is next to nothing especially when compared to a 2v swing.

One other suggestion is to ALWAYS upgrade your ground wire at the battery. This is the least expensive way to make a huge difference in light dimming. There are a lot of cars that use a 8 or 6 gauge ground to the body (remember when you grounded your amp?) This cannot support the current return of the headlights and a 1000watt amp. Remember you may have a dedicated 4 gauge lead to the amp, but when that current returns to the battery it shares that ground with all the other components in the car that are grounded to the body.

All of the numbers in this post were submitted to show a point and do not actually reflect a single test environment. They only are used to help visualize what is happening to your cars electrical system when you go crank your bass up all the way and cruise down the street. Hope this has helped.........
 
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