HELP MY TYPE R ENGINE HAS BLEW UP rebuild or replace or tune???? !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kristyper]

Hi iam kris iam new on here--
i own a civic type r 2002 with 68000 miles on the clock, which i have owned for a year and a half problem free-- last week my engine blew!!!
firstly my engine managment light came on, i had it diagnosed by a mechanic, and there was a cylinder one missfire-- so i replaced all 4 sparkplugs and cylinder one denso coil, direct replacement. The light was then turned off by the mechanic-- then a day later the light came back on!!So again i had it diagnosed, again reading cylinder one missfire,(OTHER THAN A MISSFIRE AT TICKOVER THE CAR FELT FINE) so we assumed the new coil must be faulty. i ordered a new coil and while waitng for the new coil to arrive, the light went off. Driving home that night the light came back on???--- on my way to get it checked again i gave it some toe in third gear,THE REV LIMITER NEVER CAME IN and all of a sudden at 7 or 8 thousand revs it sounded like a bag of spanners were thrown in the engine!!!!

my type r is now at a jap tuning specialist-- he has found two broken valves and half the spark plug from cylinder one has dissapeared!!! at this stage i am assuming the bottom end is total loss, however damage is yet to be confirmed.PLEASE CAN YOU HELP has anyone else had this problem??

SO REBUILD OR REPLACE OR TUNE??????? thanks for reading kris

 

[Neily03]

Hi iam kris iam new on here--
i own a civic type r 2002 with 68000 miles on the clock, which i have owned for a year and a half problem free-- last week my engine blew!!!
firstly my engine managment light came on, i had it diagnosed by a mechanic, and there was a cylinder one missfire-- so i replaced all 4 sparkplugs and cylinder one denso coil, direct replacement. The light was then turned off by the mechanic-- then a day later the light came back on!!So again i had it diagnosed, again reading cylinder one missfire,(OTHER THAN A MISSFIRE AT TICKOVER THE CAR FELT FINE) so we assumed the new coil must be faulty. i ordered a new coil and while waitng for the new coil, the light went off. Driving home that night the light came back on???--- on my way to get it checked again i gave it some toe in third gear,THE REV LIMITER NEVER CAME IN and all of a sudden at 7 or 8 thousand revs it sounded like a bag of spanners were thrown in the engine!!!!

Let me get this right (your post is quite difficult to read), you had the CEL light on and proceeded to rev towards the redline??

Also with the coil problem why didn't you just swap cyclinder 1 coil with one of the others to see if the fault went with it?

 

[rf55]

could of been timming chain needed to be replaced my mate had same problem

 

[kristyper]

could of been timming chain needed to be replaced my mate had same problem

thanks for your response-- when i first got my type r with around 50 000 on the clock, i drove to honda and asked if i neede to change the timming chain, the honda mechanic, said they dont go wrong, we have never had a problem so far, they dont need changing!!!! (nottingham honda) at this i never thought anything of it, knowing how good vtech vvti engines are both powerful and reliable!!!
obviously not in my case

 

[kristyper]

Let me get this right (your post is quite difficult to read), you had the CEL light on and proceeded to rev towards the redline??

Also with the coil problem why didn't you just swap cyclinder 1 coil with one of the others to see if the fault went with it?

yes tried that first to see which cylinder was down, tried unplugging each coil while engine was running to see which one when unplugged made a difference to the engine note, which was cylinder one. tried swapping them made no difference, so next i assumed spark plugs, replaced them and ordered a new coil for cylinder one just to be on the safe side. still no difference, then once engine management light was reset, it came back on, on then stayed off for a day? then came back on on the way home, as it seemed a minor fault,only missfire at tickover, i thought it must be the wireing-- or something as minor, so i gavew it a bit of toe. very costly mistake granted, but wouldnt have reved it if i knew the timing had gone wrong, resulting in no rev limiter and ruined engine

 

[kristyper]

so any advice on a rebuild or replace engine, what is more costly-- baring in mind, if i replace the engine,i would assume my car will be worth less, even if i get a newer engine with less mileage, plus i am concerned about the history of a random engine off of e bay?

as my engine probly needs rebuilding--- would it be worth considering a turbo, plus low comp pistons, new con rods, so on and so forth , and any other engine requirements to make it possible, or would this result in disaster even if done correctly?

 

[Neily03]

If the end of the spark plug has gone through the cylinder then the bore could be fooked. You should be able to pick up a second hand engine for about £1500 but you need to see/hear it running first.

 

[rf55]

i know to about 4 ep3's that the chain has gone, the chain stretched light comes on then shows misfire fault and if not dealt with bends valves. Honda told my mate the same a month later bang, and the chains that Honda sell now have changed in weight and look stronger than the original ? rebuild with uprated parts

 

[rf55]

i think amt54 on here has had this problem? look in faults eml i think

 

[kristyper]

If the end of the spark plug has gone through the cylinder then the bore could be fooked. You should be able to pick up a second hand engine for about £1500 but you need to see/hear it running first.

thankyou-- will let you know how i get on

 

[kristyper]

i know to about 4 ep3's that the chain has gone, the chain stretched light comes on then shows misfire fault and if not dealt with bends valves. Honda told my mate the same a month later bang, and the chains that Honda sell now have changed in weight and look stronger than the original ? rebuild with uprated parts

thanks mate-- well obviously it seems there must be a design error somewhere if they have thickened the chain,-- still unsure which route to take, ie-- new engine or rebuild-- which ever is most cost effective, however i think i will find it hard to justify spending a few grand fixing it to acheive the same performance, so i will ook into the cost of tuning, as its probly gonna need a rebuild anyway---

have you seen the civic type r turbo on youtube?? that looks interesting, but how tempermental is it? i dont want to spend thousands then end up in the same boat again with less money and another wrecked engine lol

 

[Vtec_si]

Just been reading your thread, cant believe it blew up

Im just curious, I get a misfire when my engine warms up then it goes once warm. Did yours misfire when cold?
My engine light also comes on from time to time.

Is it possible to check the timing chain wear?

 

[Amt54]

Just been reading your thread, cant believe it blew up

Im just curious, I get a misfire when my engine warms up then it goes once warm. Did yours misfire when cold?
My engine light also comes on from time to time.

Is it possible to check the timing chain wear?

I think you maybe able to check it but not 100% if not I would take off rocker cover and check the wear and tear

 

[Vtec_si]

What would I be looking for on the chain? heat marks, sideways play ect

 

[HASNIC]

It's a stretch on the chain, very unlikely you'll be able to tell just by looking at it as an untrained eye.

 

[Amt54]

Well not really seen heatmarks on a chain but play in the chain yes if it's really loose you will hear a rattle sort of sound when revs die down

 

[kristyper]

Just been reading your thread, cant believe it blew up

Im just curious, I get a misfire when my engine warms up then it goes once warm. Did yours misfire when cold?
My engine light also comes on from time to time.

Is it possible to check the timing chain wear?

i cant beleive it either i am guttered, and soon to be very skint! yeah try taking the rocker cover off and check for play, however hard to diagnose, the vvti timing on these vtec is very complicated, basically when mine went wrong it stopped the rev limitter kicking in in third gear, and rewarded me with a shagged engine lol-- not good. try taking it to honda and get a diagnostic check if the light comes on again, and deont give it any toe like i did lol-- cheers

 

[nosman]

I really don't understand WHY you would rev it hard when the engine managment light came on. First thing I'd do is pull over and wait for recovery in case you make it worse.. Low and behold, you have.

Your best off with a new engine, prob going to be easier and cheaper in the long run.

 

[kristyper]

I really don't understand WHY you would rev it hard when the engine managment light came on. First thing I'd do is pull over and wait for recovery in case you make it worse.. Low and behold, you have.

Your best off with a new engine, prob going to be easier and cheaper in the long run.

thanks mate but i didnt come on here to listen to ****takers, ive got my mates down the pub that will happily do that for me lol---- anyway if u read my initial thread, u would have realised that i thought id cured the problem, the light came on, had it diagnosed, changed all spark plugs and coil, reset the light-- then it came back on-- rediagnose saying missfire cylinder one(only at tickover)--- then the light went off again and it ran fine for bout two days-- then it came on for a final time and i assumed it must be a simple wireing error, thats why i gave it some stick in third gear only, didnt realise it was the timing chain that was out of sinc, i was probaly a day away from finding out, using a process of elimination aided by a mechanic and a diagnostics kit. anyway none of this matters now as my engine is donald ducked. thanks for your concern anyway lol.

 

[Salt]

Sorry to hear this mate, good luck getting it put right! If you really are thinking of tuning then I'd say go for it but it will cost you a lot more in the end. If you're thinking of tuning it just because you may as well whilst it's broken, I'd get it all sorted out first then think of doing upgrades after.

I'd get a new engine dude