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Hi folks. I'm extremely happy to say that me and the GF have just returned from a short break in Norfolk, during which my ATR turned in just over 31mpg, despite me not being able to drive sensibly on the the myriad super-twisty backroads out there. We did have a long run to get there, but it...

Hmmm. What a horrible colour for a concept. It's a bit tarts handbag for me. Anyone ever seen a Mugen S2K? It looks infinitely better than this...thing. Thumbs most definitely down. Marge

Did you do that track day you mentioned? I haven't been on for a while, cos BT cut us off, for reasons best known to them, and then saw fit to leave us without broadband(which we'd only just started using) for about three weeks! Bloody nightmare. What's ROFL mean? Marge

Nice one. Looks proper tidy. And it's got the spoiler, which mine doesn't. Due to being import only, Beats don't really have an insurance group. I'm 33, and have two other named drivers on my policy, and it's about £400, but we're all fully comp. Should go down come renewal time too, as the...

Indeed it was. That evening threw into perspective how being on a forum is different to real life. It was quite a good do, but i found myself thinking that i'd had lengthy online discussions with some people that were also there, but short of standing by my car and telling people my username, i...

After much deliberation, i am definitely NOT selling up. Yay! Marge

Look what i found on my travels. It was parked outside a motorsport place i was working at. Couldn't believe how well Championship White suits the S2K, esp. when it's got carbon bits on it. And red H's Marge

No, changed me mind again. Will definitely be there now. Took for me to sort a few things out, but it's looking good now. Will hopefully see you on the 25th. Marge

Welcome. I've just changed the oil in mine and it's got Mobil Super S in, which is semi-synthetic. When i checked with the service manager at my local stealer, he told me they put semi-synthetic in it come service time, so i figured i'd save me some cash. It was only done last week, so i'll...

I suspect the AZ1 is probably a hoot to drive, but the Beat has the advantage of being a soft top. It doesn't wobble around either, cos it was designed without a roof. To Skillz, the Beats motor is a 12 valve 656cc(i think)triple laid almost flat behind the seats. It's not a VTEC but an...

And for that we should all be thankful, for isn't that the point of a Type R? My ATR is remarkably stable, but it hardly drives itself. One of my mates went in it recently, and i gave it some beans, and he asked what it was like with the traction control off! I told him the only traction control...

I once got a 997 Carrera S to around £90k on the Porsche website. The standard car is about £65k. That's a whole(almost) fully loaded FN2s worth of options. I haven't ventured anywhere near the BMW or Merc sites. Marge

Blimey! Yours must make some serious noise then. Mine's loud enough, and i believe it's standard. Best heard with the roof up, but the back window out so all that noise stays in the car, instead of escaping into the open air. Do you know if you're going to Gaydon yet? Marge

They are indeed. If a Beat was human it'd probably be a primary schoolboy that all the teachers love, but that bullies all the other kids when no-one's looking. It's an absolute hooligan, but happens to look like some sort of toy car. It's also the last car that Soichiro Honda signed off, which...

Bah. Your Honda collection is much better than ours. We have an ATR, a Beat and a EG3 Civic. That makes just over 4 litres and about 350 horses. Rubbish! We like 'em though. Marge

I agree. Fuel by people that make fuel, not by people that supply the weekly shop. My ATR is actually becoming more economical by using BPs Ultimate, so their selling point about it making your engine run better seems to be true. Could also be the H22A7 loosening up too i suppose. Marge

Top job! I got mine back from its loan spell on thursday last week. Such an utterly brilliant car. Hope you enjoy it. On the seat front, mine had a tear in it, and my girlfriend sewed it up, cos she's a dab hand with a needle and thread. Mine's insured by Adrian Flux, who wouldn't underwrite it...

I've seen a standard one in bronze, and it looks ok, but there's no getting away from the fact that bronze is metallic brown. Can't help but think either Cosmic grey or some shade - any shade - of white would've been a better choice for the fourth colour. Marge

I managed to get a short test drive in an S2K a few years back. The salesbod let me drive it properly, and i ended up doing over a ton before i knew what'd happened. At the time my Teg was the fastest(170bhp) car in my circle of friends, but the S2K made it feel like the VTEC wouldn't cut in...

It looks the nuts in black. Wonder how many brown ones they'll sell? Marge

I've been wondering about a trackday, but would be worried about getting carried away and binning it. What's the crack with insurance for being on a track? Marge

...but it doesn't stop any actual objects from coming through. That's why Renault caved in before long and put a proper screen on it. Seem to recall the one-make-series race cars had the air deflector. It does look the dogs though. Such a very French design feature. Marge

Much the same for me really. Any parts i need i can get through my local Honda stealer, which normally take a few days, but i haven't done much maintainance yet, cos i've not yet had it a year. As AliA says, it ain't exactly watertight, but there are ways around it, and new soft tops are...

Interesting point, about it being ugly from behind. I just think it looks different to everything else. The ugliest car as viewed from behind that i know is the facelifted version of the first Hyundai Coupe from about 5-6 years ago, the one that looks like a bugeyed DC2 Teg that's been beaten...

I think the colour thing must be purely coincidental, as red Beats are far more common than yellow ones. I think they look as good in either colour, but am particularly fond of mine(it's red, as is AliAs). As a fun car, there is surely nothing better, especially if you consider its bargain cheap...

Have to agree with G. Opinion seems to be roughly split between those who think it looks rubbish, and those who've driven it and found it to be really good. I think it all boils down to one thing: feedback. Those who have driven the FN2 on here have said it has better feedback than the EP3. I've...

My rule with Honda maintainance is: always let those who know about a VTEC deal with it, ie a main stealer. (I realise the clutch isn't actually inside the engine). There may well be a better aftermarket clutch out there, and i'm sure there as some specialists about who know their stuff too, but...

I got mine privately for a shade under three grand last April. If you're thinking about buying one, they make the perfect second car. As it's a Honda, the age thing isn't really an issue, although they do rust so look very carefully at a possible purchase. Nothing i've ever driven makes me...

Early NSX by a mile, if i had your choice. And one day i will..... Marge

I'm in the "can't see why they haven't already made it" camp. Run-out models usually get filled with toys and have different paint colours and/or wheels, to make a long-in-the-tooth car more appealing to buyers. As we know, any Type R is more than just a wings and wheels job, so i'm extremely...

Reading this thread has reminded me about my gearbox. It's really notchy when cold, but fine when warmed up. Since i know about the fifth and reverse synchro problem, even though mine's been rebuilt, i consider the ATRs 'box to be somewhat of a weak point, but maybe changing the oil would help...

Went to Johnsons in Kidlington on Thursday to order an oil filter for my Beat. They're not exactly hiding their new CTR away. Here it is making my(bird crap splattered) ATR look distinctly last-century. It was covered in road grime but hadn't been registered yet, so maybe some of their staff had...

The S2K's 2 litre inline 4 makes around 240bhp, and is thus a highly impressive engine. It's now 5 years old, so i wouldn't put it past Honda to get another 40 horses from a new engine of the same capacity and configuration. Trouble is, they don't seem to want to. On the power is nothing without...

Oh bloody hell! Every time i think about advertising it, it goes and makes a convincing case for itself, and i start wavering. So, this is the current plan. One of my mates works for a company that supplies and installs wheel alignment systems. Thus, there isn't much he doesn't know about the...

Didn't realise the links were dead. It seems to be a trackday special, and despite having lights is not road legal. I worked it out as having around 250bhp per tonne, assuming the engine is making its normal 200 ish bhp. However, given it has only 2 or 3 feet of 'zorst, and just can't have room...

Ohmigod! How's this for a prime piece of Japanese madness? It's a 1993 Honda Beat, which weighs around 3/4 of a ton and usually has around 60bhp - with a JDM ITRs B18C shoehorned in. Mental. I've got a Beat, and it feels quite quick as standard(even though it ain't), so god knows what it feels...

Further developments: it's now highly likely i'll sell my ATR. Thinking about it takes up plenty of time, weighing up pros and cons, but it just costs too much to run. Will, with a heavy heart, be posting a for sale thread soon. Damn. Marge

Thanks tj. Am only thinking about it, but the writing may already be on the wall. And you're right, it is such a shame. Marge

Anyone interested in my ATR? Don't really want to sell it, but it's not-quite-30mpg economy is battering my wallet silly. Just testing the water really, i've only had it about four months, but the fuel consumption coupled with the double whammy of having to buy super unleaded is making life...

What's the bottom line for a good DC2 ITR? I'm quite fond of my ATR, but it's just not quite the car i wanted to replace my DC2 Si with. I've seen them for £5k and i dont mind whether it's a UK model or an import. Thanks Marge

Morning. Anyone know what other engines the DB8 came with apart from the B18? And how much power they made? Thanks Marge

Roofline looks like a 911. No complaints here! Marge

Hi folks Am wondering if anyone knows anything about Hondas old 1350cc engine. The one in my sisters 94 Civic has a huge great flat spot, and doesn't tick over well either. I can't tell where in the rev range the flat spot is, cos it doesn't have a rev counter. Maybe she needs to visit the...

When the current shape Accord had just been launched, a sales monkey in my local stealer told me there'd be a Type R version of it, and that it'd pack around 250bhp. I don't believe them either anymore. There'll always be rumours about possible forthcoming cars. My favourite is the S1000, which...

Ok. Here we go. I hope this'll be of some use to someone. Firstly access to the passenger airbag is needed. This is somewhat tricky cos the heater trunking is in the way. I couldn't work out how to get it out without taking the entire dash out, so i cut the trunking cleanly to gain access(that's...

Rattly ATR update: It's officially been solved! Now i have peace at last, and, since i haven't put it all back together yet, bits of dash all over the back seat. It was definitely coming from the passenger airbag, but not any more. If anyone needs to know how i did it, just let me know...

Just re-reading my post from last night. I'd been to the pub and gone on the Stella, and then on the cans of 1664 i had in the fridge. I was rather hammered really, which might go some way to explaining that post. The"Chariot of the Gods"quote comes from Car magazine, cos they had a long-termer...

Are you kidding? The only cars that rust that are made in the 90s are Rovers. Despite the fact that they share chassis DNA with some of Hondas finest, they are still some of the most rotten fetid turgid bargain basement rubbish ever to grace a scrapyard. My 1991 Honda Beat is entirely rust free...

I can see your point, but the reason i got the ATR in the first place was cos of my gf and her kids. Thus if we were in an accident i'd want to protect her and them as much as i could. I'm still gonna work out a way of silencing the bastard thing though, you just see if i don't. Yours, in a...

Hopefully it'll be properly light then. I was rather alarmed to find out that the new i-CTDi 3 door Type S Civic is 50kg heavier than a standard ATR. The diesel lump probably adds some weight, but i hope Honda aren't signing up to the weight gain programme that almost all of the motor industry...

Yessss! I've found it! It took for me to remove as much dash as i could, but it's coming from the passenger airbag housing. The metal bits that hold the folded up airbag are rattling. Trouble is, i'm not sure how to sort it. But i'll work it out. Marge

Yeah, you're probably right. It's actually the badge from the back of my Beat, but the sky must've reflected off the paint and made it look pink. Think i'll have to doctor it. Marge

Hi Mine is one of the faster black ones, but it won't quite do 30mpg. This is mostly down to the roads i use(no m-ways or dualies and lots of roundabouts), and partially due to it needing aligning. My insurance is just over £400 fully comp with Privelege(5 yrs NCB, 33 yr old male). It's a...

Car magazine have just tested the Type S. They described it as a warm hatch(140bhp)having the looks of the CTR but costing little more to buy and run than a Micra. It has mild suspension tweaks compared to the standard car, and only Types S and R have the 3 door bodyshell. The way it looks is...

Aha. It's already done that. Am not yet a Revolutions member, and i'm not gonna join right now, so i'll do it during the week. Hopefully i may get somewhere with the cursed rattle. Cheers LL. Will let you know how i get on. Any other info from anyone else would be most welcome. Marge

Didn't know it had one. Where do i find the pollen filter? So far i've removed the bottom-of-dash panel, then the glovebox, and from there i can remove the heater vent. Then i can see lots of wires, the fuse box and what i think is the heater matrix. Marge

So...what you're basically trying to say is that you didn't much care for it then???? :wink: Marge

I've just returned from a weekend with my girlfriend, and am officially at the end of my tether with the really f*cking annoying rattle that plagues my ATR. It seems to be coming from the glovebox/airbag area and sounds like something's loose, which makes a kind of springy noise when i drive...

No corners cut at all. No polishing done, just a wash and chamois or three. Think the ATR takes at least twice as long to do as the Beat, but then it's the smallest car i've ever seen, let alone owned. I was so motivated i nearly washed a couple of bicycles, but ran out of time. They'll have to...

It did cross my mind to get a red one, for that very reason. TBH i wouldn't have cared which of the three colours it was, just as long as i found a good car. It does look the dogs danglers in black, even if it is a pain to keep clean. Well happy with it so far. Marge

That's an amazing car. Hate to think what you've spent, but it looks fantastic, and i want one. Marge

300 horses! Bloody hell. Glad you told me that. I'll know not to tangle with one now. It must be quite hefty with all that kit on board though. Now i'm really intrigued. Think i might visit the stealer to find out more. Marge

I figured it'd be unbelievably trick. It also appears to be 4WD. I'm guessing it has either a 3 litre V6 or the i-CTDi engine. I'm quite intrigued about it TBH Marge

Had nothing much to do today but wash cars. I was on call, so can't go far so i use the opportunity to do stuff round the house. Thus we now have 3 clean and shiny Hondas. My ATR, my little sisters EG3 DX and the Beat that we share between us. We used to be fans of Renault, but eventually saw...

Thanks to Mook for sorting these out for me. Should shave a few tenths off the 0-60 time! Regards Marge

That's fabulous. I presume you meant it was dirty? Looks pretty clean to me. Marge

Anyone else noticed a proliferation of new Honda Legends round their way?The first one i saw was at my local stealer about 3 weeks ago. Since it was full of paperwork and had Post-its all over its dash with reminders written on, i suspect it may have been something to do with Honda UK. Not long...

How so? I suspect i might buy a current shape Civic at some point, if fuel costs go through the roof and i need better economy than the almost 30mpg the ATR does. What did you like/dislike about it? Marge

They're posted somewhere else here. Looks good in silver IMO. Suits its sci-fi details. Marge

Wonder how much its performance has been blunted by having to drag around all that pointless aerodynamic addenda? Each to their own of course, but if you ask me a Saxo or Corsa deserves this kind of treatment. The EG Civic does not. Tune it, strip it out, fit coilovers and sticky tyres by all...

Oh no! Hope you can get it sorted out. On the same subject, can anyone tell me if a slight graunch during a high-speed(both car speed and arm speed)change from 4th to 5th is normal? I have to be on a full-on redline assault for it to happen. My gearbox has apparently been done, but i have no...

Thanks guys. Have a long weekend off which starts on Thursday, so i'll upend myself in the drivers seat at some point, to see what i can see. The spring sounds like an obvious place. Just as long as i know the cable ain't gonna snap on me, which of course it won't, cos it's not even in there...

Hi folks My clutch pedal makes a clicking noise sometimes when i use it. There's also a creaking noise when pushing the pedal slowly down. My Teg had the same creak for a long time too, so i'm not too worried about that, but the clicky pedal is a worry. It's almost as if the cable(if it has...

That four door Hybrid thing is a great peice of design. The standard one is just a small, modern looking saloon, but it really tricks up well. I'm guessing we only get the hybrid powertrain, but there could be some more conventional models in Japan. The white one looks really good, and the Type...

Got to be some sort of multispoke rim for the NSX. Accepting the fact that not everyone plays videogames, some time spent on GT3 or 4 will be enough to convince you, car/rim wise. Personally, if i had to, i'd have an NSX on matt-black steelies. You cant see the outside of your car when you're...

Not much, if you ask me. Honda are one of the few forward-thinking car companies around, and given the environmental concerns we have these days, are right up there developing vehicles modern society needs. They're not alone in this, but there are bigger companies with more money that keep...

Morning folks Does anyone use a bike rack on the back of their ATR. I'm wondering if the rear wing gets in the way of it. Normally i put my bikes in the boot, but i need to transport my tandem soon, and it's too long to go in. I dont want to shell out for a roof rack cos i dont need one, and...

Likewise. I've had mine a month, and it's a fabulous car. Marge

Looks damn good to me, but i am getting old. Kind of looks like that dark green-grey the RX-8 comes in. Honda also did a metallic lime green for the NSX, i believe. Marge

You'll be needing a caliper wind back tool. Having spent some time working in a Renault main stealer workshop i'd used one of these but never bought one. The rear caliper pistons on my Teg could be wound back with a screwdriver or some grips, but with the ATR i wound and wound and nothing...

All done. Easy when you've got the right tool. Was a panic for a while, but just off to bed 'em in. Marge

Ah. No i don't. The ones on my Teg had big slots in the piston face, and could be wound back in with a large screwdriver. I had a feeling there might be a special tool needed. I'll have to improvise, or it's off to the Stealers with a red face. Will let you know how it goes. Any more info would...

Hi folks I'm having some grief with my back brakes. I got home early, so i could change the pads, but i can't for the life of me work out how to get the piston back into the caliper. It should wind back in to the handbrake mech, but it don't wanna know. It'll be dark in 2 hours Arrghh...

Beautiful car. Every time i look at pics of DC2s it makes me miss mine again. Still, now i have a black ATR with only 41K miles on, so it ain't all bad. Marge

It's a looker alright. Maybe this is our new ATR. But(and it's a big one), it's a dressed-up Civic IMA Hybrid. They haven't even changed the lights! There must be some serious reworking going on under the skin, or you'd hope so at least. Whilst i like it, it must beg the question: are Honda...

100,000 miles! That's a damn long way. I did over 45,000 in my DC2 Teg, and i thought that was far enough! I'm male. My username is derived from my nickname, which i picked up when i was 18. I live in a village about 7 miles from Oxford, but it's easier to give that as a location. Why do you...

Hey Scouse, what's that a picture of that's replaced your Liverpool crest? I can't quite work it out. Marge

I've only had mine for three weeks, so i have less knowledge than other people on here, but i can tell you this: the ATR is an utterly fabulous car. Space, refinement, poise, handling, ease of use, plenty of power, great soundtrack, if you need a practical car and aren't yet ready for the pipe...

Think i read a post before i got mine, saying ATRs are capable of huge mileage, and yours was mentioned as an example. I was also told that pre-facelift cars are Pirates Black, and later models are Nighthawk. As far as i can tell, mine was built just up the road, as they all were, then put on a...

Hi My ATR is Nighthawk Black, with blacked-out windows. Confusingly, it's a pre-facelift on a W plate. It's some kind of parallel import, cos i have the original paperwork for it. I don't mind, it gives it some rarity value. What colour is yours? Is it the one that does 1000 miles a week...

Hey! I know you're not a typical Corsa/Saxo/Clio type, otherwise you wouldn't be on here. As you probably know, engineering-wise Hondas are a class apart, and it takes some enlightened thinking for people to see past the "Hondas are for old people" thing. I once worked with a guy who got a mark...

Hey Chris, that last post must've really wound you up huh? As i'm almost at my 33rd birthday, i had to use my bifocals, and it still didn't make much sense. Can't believe the cars you early-twentysomethings drive. I've been driving for just over ten years, and my first car was a 1982 Opel Manta...

Great car. How do i get a TRO sticker? I want one for my back window. You know my favourite thing about the DC5? It's better than a works Astra in BTCC. Halfords may have more than a few quid to throw at it, but not as much as GM do. Ha ha! Marge

Agreed about the back end. As has been said already, lots of modern cars have a fat arse. Alfas new Brera, which is one of the most achingly desirable cars i've seen in ages, has a very fat arse. Maybe it's the way things are these days, but what happened to just being elegant? Marge

Think you're probably right LL. I'm gonna seek out a stocker in a car park and park right next to it, so i can work it out for myself. It's a genius bit of factory modding, to make it look as impressive as it does. And it's got as much substance as style. Great car. Marge

Fair play. I love that new MX-5. It's a prime example of the fastidious attention to detail the Japs can do so well. And they've managed to squeeze a metal folding roof into it too, without changing it's looks. Marge

Morning folks I wish to start a discussion, although someone may have a definitive answer, which would pretty much stop it dead. I've had my ATR for nearly three weeks now, and what i can't work out is this: whenever i see a standard Accord, for some reason they look different to mine. "Duh"...

Looks a bit overdone to me. Give me an MR with black wheels and a carbon wing in stealth bomber grey anyday. Still, different strokes for different folks. Teg looks fantastic though. Makes me miss mine.... Marge

Er..call me a dumbass if you like Little Legs, but what's the CEL light and what does EGR stand for. Had a hard day and my brain is on minimum functions only! Marge

Aha. That's some useful info. I've never had Continentals before, but i can tell you this; I've been a cyclist for over half my life now, and 3 out of the 5 bikes i own roll on Contis and they are the best tyres i've ever used. They're cheaper than anyone else, and more importantly when you...