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FN2 Contemplating trading Leon for Civic..

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First off, Hello all.

I've always loved Civic Type-Rs but for some reason when I came to finally buying a car back in March, I went with the first thing I saw and got a Seat Leon FR..

My Dad at the same time purchased a brand new Skoda Fabia VRS, which after 6 months (yesterday) STILL hadn't been built. He got fed up and scrapped the order and we went car shopping. I suggested he go to the Honda garage and, like me, he fell in love with a Type-R and bought it yesterday, gorgeous 2010 black one that's only done 10k miles.

I am so jealous that I am contemplating paying a few grand off the Leon and handing it over to the Honda dealer in exchange for a 2008 Type-R.

I know there are going to be a lot of biased opinions but I have asked the same question over at seatcupra.net and am interested to compare the answers.

Should I or shouldn't I trade up ?!

Cheers! :D
 
Hazz said:
Get an EP3 and laugh heartily at your dad as you leave him behind ;)
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haha don't tell him that. I think in his old age the comfort factor played a part.

C4Doc said:
^^ This or you could always look at DC5's.
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I'd like an integra but they all seem to have been to the moon and back. Shame Honda don't allow you to search them from main dealers. I'd rather not deal with Barrys motors..
 
agree with those above DC5 or a Prem EP3, DC5 has a major positive of coming with a LSD to improve cornering. The FN2 is a nice car but some people don't think it handles as well but Loxy as done an amazing effort in improving the FN2's handling and its well worth checking his build thread out on here

Any chance you could link us to the thread on seatcupra.net, i'd be interested to see what they said.

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found the link for you to save you searching for loxy's build thread. Its my fav FN2 on here http://type-r-owners.co.uk/forums/s...-s-Silver-FN2-GT-Rotrex-and-Wavetrac-Equipped

Obviously you don't need to turbo it but the handling modifications i'd say is well worth it
 
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You don't need to deal with backstreet barry's special discount motors to get a DC5. There are plenty of crackers about, buying through forums for example usually you'll find the best motors at great prices because enthusiasts look after their cars. There's lots of good lower miles ones. These will go well over 100000 miles without issue in the engine so I wouldn't worry about picking up one that's done a few miles, just ensure it has a good service history. It's the overall condition of the car that counts with these cars :).

For example my old one is at Torque GT and i've heard good things about them.

http://www.torque-gt.co.uk/car_details/?act=productDetail&productId=238


Regarding the comments on the other forum. Exactly what you would expect to hear in this situation in fairness. For some people the drive of the Type R is perfect, for some it's terrible. The way I drive means the high revving buzzy engines made the Type R great fun for me but also easy to drive about as a day to day car, some prefer the slightly lazier speed of a turbo car. A number of members on here have gone from their Type R's to big power turbo cars, Evo's and such but many come back. You need to test drive one and see if it suits you. If so then start looking seriously. Also handling on the Honda R's is superb, particularly with a few little extras.
 
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Problem is I have a balance left on the Leon so I'd need a dealer who's willing to clear that and then shift my car (the problem with credit!)

Anyway the DC5 is out of the question now I've looked at insurance lol.

How often does a Type-R owner wish they had more torque?
 
I added to my reply above but on the torque issue, it never really bothered me, partly as I would never drive fast with a loaded up car (a rare occurrence anyway) and if I was going to have some fun with the car it tended to be when I was in the mood to drive the nuts off it in which case the torque is never really an issue. In fact I found one of the things I loved was that you couldn't be lazy with the car.
 
JDoMinator said:
How often does a Type-R owner wish they had more torque?
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Lack of torque is not really a problem so long as you drive your VTEC with a bit of intelligence, for example dropping the right amount of gears at the right speed when overtaking something. I prefer high revving engines and like the sound of 7K+ RPM, and when you keep it between 4-7K PRM your not going to notice the lack of low end torque.
 
JDoMinator said:
Anyway the DC5 is out of the question now I've looked at insurance lol.
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Try some independent specialists like Sky Insurance, A Plan, Lifesure etc.

And lol at the narrow minded opinions in that thread on the Seat forum. :lol:
 
I have a Leon cupra 03 plate had 2 years and love it 120000 miles on clock still pulls like a train. but just trading it in for a Type R-GT on a 60 plate picking it up Friday 19th only 1800 miles on clock i will let you know if i have done the right thing, im sure i have.
 
VAG forums generally are anti-Honda, it's ingrained in them. Much like AMD fanboys hate Intel, metal fanboys hate dance music, and how Neighbours fans despise Home and Away. In short, being a fan of one thing generally means you need to loathe the closest thing to your specified like.

I came from a VAG car to an EP3 (Golf GTi 1.8T), and I instantly missed the refinement and civility of the Golf. The smooth ride, progressive power delivery and well built solid feel of the car. But that's not why I bought an EP3. The Golf was a wallowy armchair of a car, as a lot of VAG group cars tend to be. Their lacklustre cornering lets them down and detracts from the overall driving experience. They're less about all round ability, and for me felt like straight line "boot it" cars. The Civic on the other hand was a completely different animal.

Yes you have to work the engine, yes you have to use the gearbox but that's all about the characteristics of the car. If you drive the car properly as eluded to above, keep the revs up and change gears properly and when needed you'd run rings around most standard tune VAG cars all day long. Honda make drivers cars, VAG make everyday cars with sporty badges on. The EP3 was never designed to be a comfortable car, it was never designed to be a lazy gear change mobile (incidentally have you tried quick changes on a 1.8T 02A box? Good luck, crunch) it was designed to be a balls out, unrefined point to point car that you can chuck into corners with reckless abandon and thrash the knockers off whilst you're doing it.

Horses for courses.

Incidentally, I've sold my EP3 and bought another GTi. Why? Well because the Golf was the best car I could afford that I liked, and I could trust to be reliable and good enough for what it is. A good engine with smooth delivery in a refined, yet somewhat boringly practical chassis. It'll do for getting me to work, but I'll always miss the heart rate increasing beatdowns I gave my EP3. *sob*
 
Well had my Type R for a week now, just love it no regrets in trading in the leon.
Kevh said:
I have a Leon cupra 03 plate had 2 years and love it 120000 miles on clock still pulls like a train. but just trading it in for a Type R-GT on a 60 plate picking it up Friday 19th only 1800 miles on clock i will let you know if i have done the right thing, im sure i have.
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Did you post that on the Seat forum? :lol: I bet the mods would delete it.
 
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