I think I meant more along the lines of, they'd held up well against the elements and were nearly 3 years old. No paint flaking, just the usual stone chipping on the body and springs. They felt, heavy, for want of a better word, and that "usually" points at being well built or at least using good, strong materials. They were a damned site more comfy than my cheap ass TA Technics, and were obviously made of better materials, but then they cost £120 :lol: