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Loud creak and gearbox warranty work

dweezle

dweezle

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Anybody getting a really loud creak when getting out of your car, its starting to annoy me now, doesn't sound like suspension sounds rear central but then yesterday whilst parked up i turned the wheels full lock and when i turned full left i had the exact same creak but from the front this time any ideas before the warranty runs out. My second question is gear change problems had the clutch replaced the other week but it still feels light and im pushing into the floor (not hard though) is this how the FN2 clutch feels and works??. Honda told me my gear change problem would be the clutch so had it done elsewhere but still experiencing gear selection its not smooth and feels like its catching on its way in (not all the time). So if i book it in with honda for them to check the gearbox and they find no faults will i have to fork out for labour or will it be covered as a warranty check.
 
Creak on FN2s usually is the suspension. It usually only happens first thing on a journey. I personally don't have it but the wife's FK2 does. Honda told us it was normal when we tried to get that done on warranty.

Other things it could be are the parcel shelf not sitting right, the tail gate misaligned or the jack and toolkit not properly secured in the boot. However these tend to be more of a rattle.

With the gear selections, a lot of K20 engined cars have dodgy changes when the box is cold. How many miles has it done? It depends on the dealer whether they'll charge you. I didn't get charged for them to test drive my EP3 and tell me it was normal. If you've got a car with a few miles on it a change of gearbox oil can sometimes help, just depends how bad it is.
 
Its on 22500 at the minute, the changes every now and then are not smooth at all feels like its just missing the gear then it drops in, when it happens i find im holding the clutch down longer than needed and then it feels like im riding the clutch slightly, also occasionally it pops out of 3rd into my hand as im about to change to 4th.
 
dweezle said:
Its on 22500 at the minute, the changes every now and then are not smooth at all feels like its just missing the gear then it drops in, when it happens i find im holding the clutch down longer than needed and then it feels like im riding the clutch slightly, also occasionally it pops out of 3rd into my hand as im about to change to 4th.
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Totally agree with Loxy as in dodgy gear changes when car is cold. Had my FN2 for 5 weeks and only on 2 occasions when you slightly move the gear stick to change to 4th it seems to pop out instantly, however, when car is warm it is then smooth, just like my old EP3 Type R. I also would recommend gearbox oil change as I did this with my old mk5 vw golf gti and it seemed to work. My car will be in the members section soon with my opinion on the FN2 but so far so good despite the small niggles I currently have with the pedal clutch & cylinder.
 
Gearbox checked, bearing noise

Had my car in at honda yesterday for gearbox issue's (09 plate) within 2hrs had a call asking where i had my clutch replaced what clutch they used and what gearbox oil they used (he said its to save time for the technician). So i rang my garage that did the clutch he tells me they HAVE to replace like for like its there policy, so back on to the phone to honda i tell them it was like for like and actual honda gearbox oil he said he will let the technician know. 6 1/2 hrs later i get a call saying to collect my car when i arrive he tells me there is a noise from the bearing but cant investigate until i find out what grade the oil was even though it was honda it maybe wrong?? and to let them know tuesday. So today i drove to my garage who then got on the phone to the place he got the oil from and even they don't know the grade he then tells me that who he rang was actually HONDA PARTS and they told him some garages use different and they went by my reg number. So my mechanic said it sounds like there trying to get out of a warranty repair and because i reported this in december for them to tell me it was a clutch problem proves that it was infact the gearbox that was the problem, and if there querying the box oil why didn't they change it yesterday to elminate that problem. I've never known a car company to be a pain with warranty before, peugeot didn't think twice nor did vw they found a problem they fixed it no questions asked im really going off honda at the minute but when i get in the car i forget so it must be a love hate relationship.
 
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I totaly forgot to check cox and its coming up for the fn2 as mtf-3 and thats what my mechanic told me they used, is it worth treking further afield to another dealer and explaining my situation to them or would they think its a bit fishy me leaving one dealer to another (might think i've been turned down a warranty fix)
 
I'd see what they come back with first.

You never know, that dealership could be on some sort of watch list for Honda UK or have had some warranty jobs refused by Honda in the past, so are having to dot every I, cross the Ts etc.

They've not actually said the outcome yet have they?
 
As i got there at closing it was all very rushed (had to reopen for me) he just said i need to find out the oil they used because they dont want to strip the box down only to find out its the wrong oil, im just wondering if its because they know there's a fault they maybe holding out for more labour to charge honda as there a part peugeot franchise and not a main honda dealer but on the other hand they could be doing the same to me??. The service manager isn't back until tuesday got to ring him then, see what he says if im not happy with the outcome i'll call honda uk. 6 1/2 hrs labour friday for what exactly all they did was call me and do the recall check, i told him im thinking of getting the reversing sensors and the Gp kit added and need prices for these so hopefully this will butter him up to do the warranty work.
 
It does sound like they've done nothing for the time!
 
Well i rang honda this morning and let them know that my garage used MTF3 in the gearbox he said he will let me know the outcome, few hrs later i get a call saying he's spoken to the technician and that is the correct oil they used so i've now booked my car in for 3 days so they can strip the box out he then warned me that if it turns out to be my new clutch or it is infact the wrong oil and my garage was lying to me then i would need to cough up £600 labour. Surely if it was the clutch wouldn't changing gears be hard in every gear?? as im only getting awkward shifts in certain gears and it doesn't happen all the time, and why 3 days to strip the box seems quite long to me. Im thinking of taking it to my garage so they can drive it first see what they think before i drop it off.
 
Is your usual garage not a Honda garage then? I'm just trying to get my head round why they aren't doing the work?
 
Yeah sorry think i've confused myself now.

I originally took my car to honda in january for gearbox problems (under warranty), they told me it was my clutch and it would cost just over £800 all in, i then told them that honda uk have a fixed price of around £530 they then tell me that this doesn't include the type r (i knew it did so i declined the clutch). I told them i can get it done for half that elsewhere and he agreed, so thats what i did. I took the car to MY USUAL GARAGE (a backstreet garage high reputation family has used them for years) and they did the clutch for around 500, but im still experiencing rough notchy changes and sometimes popping out as im about to change so thats when i returned to honda before my warranty runs out and thats when they found a noisy bearing it just seems because i didn't have the clutch done there they are questioning every answer i give with another question.
 
Ah.

As long as it's been done to Honda spec you've nothing to worry about.

You don't have to have work or sevicing done at the Honda dealer to preserve warranty, but it does have to be done as per schedule and to Honda specifications.
 
How does your clutch feel

Mentioned in previous post that my car is about to go in for 3 days possible warranty (pending on clutch) but honda have made me think about the new clutch i had done, so today my mate who also owns an FN2 took it for a spin and even before he pulled off he told me my clutch isn't right its too soft and has too much travel compared to his, mine is very soft and has about 2-3" in travel before it firms up and allows gear change (almost on the floor) and its the same when releasing the pedal the clutch bites but the pedal keeps raising which would explain alot of my troubles, i then jump in his car and his clutch pedal is solid feels firm and the gear change is smooth even when half pressing the clutch. He tells me his mates is the same as his, so is my clutch wrong?? does it need adjusting?? if so i will cancel honda and save myself alot of money by taking it back to the garage i had the clutch done. Honda replaced the master cylinder in january and my new clutch is just over a month old, any ideas before honda get there claws on it.
 
i would try bleeding the clutch before you start spending the big bucks, it might just be that you have a bit of air in the system bud
 
Have you spoken to the garage that replaced the clutch for you to see what they say?

The clutch is hydraulic, auto adjusting, so that doesn't sound right.

Was it a Honda OEM clutch you put back in, did you just replace the friction disc or the pressure plate as well?

I had a bent pressure plate on one of my clutches, it could move the car from a few inches off the floor but only really started to bite closer to the top. It was sort of dragging through most of the pedal movement, i.e. not really disengaging.

Anything like your symptoms?
 
Going to the garage tomorrow straight after work to ask them what they think. It was a clutch kit and they said it's exactly the same as what honda will use but different name. My car pulls few inches from the floor like you say and when im plodding along and change i sometimes find that the pedal is still lifting which causes the revs to raise like its riding/sticking so i would say its very similar to what your describing, would this explain a soft clutch though im hoping it does as i don't want a £600 bill from honda.
 
My pressure plate was bent, which meant the clutch friction plate couldn't disengage.

Sounds like you had an Exedy clutch fitted if it was identical to the Honda one but different name.

It does sound like it's not been fitted correctly. It may be the clutch friction plate is also knackered as well now though, but really the garage that fit it should sort it out.
 
Took my car to an actual clutch/gearbox specialist earlier who took it for spin and he proper hammered it, he even tried to get the clutch to slip but he said he cant find anything wrong with either he said the clutch they would of used is more than likely to be an LUK clutch kit. He told me to go back to the garage and ask for the part number and he gave me LUK's number to ring and ask if its correct for my car, that way honda have no case.
 
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