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New member - ATR Hesitation and no VTEC

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Hi all,

well, I first drove an ATR about 6 years ago when I managed to blag one for a few days and happened to be working in Devon for those next few days. Three days and 1000 miles later I was hooked and promised myself that I would get one one day. So, after ten years of company-cardom (latest was an 04 Accord Sport (new shape) (nice but so very boring)), I've gone and treated myself to a 2000 ATR in black (Pretty sure it's NHB). I've been looking around for a while, and found one that seems to be a minter, done 77k, and in my opinion in the best colour! I'll get some pics up soon once I can get it cleaned.

So, I picked it up last Monday and all was well. The car is perfect for me, drives like a normal nippy car around town when you want it to, but can murder most cars on the road when you keep that loud pedal down! Anyway, went to the Trafford Centre on Wednesday and decided to give it some beans on the East Lancs, got to 5,600rpm and rather than kicking me in the back it just stuttered and was very hesitant to rev any further. My first thought was to get to a garage and check the oil, so I drove the 4 miles to the nearest garage to check it. Admittedly, it seemed a little low but there was oil on the stick, it's difficult to tell how low because the oil was still obviously splattered around and not settled. But, I topped it up with 5W30 anyway to be safe. Gets back on the road, still no performance. At no point did the engine management light come on.

So, gutted, I did my Xmas shopping and went home to bed and cried myself to sleep. First thing the next day I took the car to the main stealers, who kindly checked the car out for no charge. I waited about 30 mins, then he came out and said "Yeah, there was a low oil warning that had put the car into a 'safe mode', but we've reset that and topped the oil up, it's now revving up to 8k no problem in the workshop." Bollocks, I got on the dual carriageway and it's exactly the same...I rang them back and he says "Ah, well you may have stretched the timing belt if you didn't have any oil in, and that will need an engine rebuild!"....

So, my position is now that I might be taking it into a different dealer tomorrow morning to see what they think. But, can anyone shed any light on what the problem might be exactly? The car drives perfect up to 5000rpm, and I did try again to get it to kick in and it revved pretty much all the way up to 7500rpm but there was no change in engine note or power. I'm reluctant to keep trying it though in case I damage anything.

I checked the oil this morning before starting and it was exactly on the max dot on the dipstick.

Any pointers and advice appreciated, I'm absolutely gutted that I can't use the car I've been waiting for for years.

Many thanks

Dan
 
Hey Tumble, thanks for the quick reply. I've seen you on the atr.org.uk forum, but I can only access that from home. For some reason it is blocked here on the work firewall, due to 'pornographic content'! :lol:
 
Sorry to hear of the problem fella - even more sorry to see the first 3 letters of your username. :wink: :lol:
 
Heheh, don't start that. It's bad enough coming back into work and working with a Koppite! How many points did you get on Saturday? :p

By the way, don't suppose you know if these guys are any good?
http://www.system-r.co.uk/

They are about ten minutes from where I live so I might give them a ring, see if they can have a look at the car tonight.
 
efcmandan said:
Heheh, don't start that. It's bad enough coming back into work and working with a Koppite! How many points did you get on Saturday? :p

By the way, don't suppose you know if these guys are any good?
http://www.system-r.co.uk/

They are about ten minutes from where I live so I might give them a ring, see if they can have a look at the car tonight.

system r have a good rep mate - they'll sort you out I'm sure. :wink:
 
efcmandan said:
Heheh, don't start that. It's bad enough coming back into work and working with a Koppite! How many points did you get on Saturday? :p

By the way, don't suppose you know if these guys are any good?
http://www.system-r.co.uk/

They are about ten minutes from where I live so I might give them a ring, see if they can have a look at the car tonight.

I would trust any Honda with system-r. 8)

They are a quality outfit and know their stuff. :D
 
Cheers for the thumbs-up with System-R guys, I'll give them a ring now. They'll probably still be closed for the Winterval, if they've got any sense.
 
efcmandan said:
Hey Tumble, thanks for the quick reply. I've seen you on the atr.org.uk forum, but I can only access that from home. For some reason it is blocked here on the work firewall, due to 'pornographic content'! :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

sorry i cant be more help than that it could be a number of things
 
Yeah System R are a brilliant outfit. Good if they are only 10 mins away! I'd have them as your main garage mate.

As for your problem. VTEC engages when a couple of parameters are set. Now ATR fellows forgive me as I know the engine in the ATR is somewhat different the the K20 which I am more familiar with, but the basic VTEC mechanism must be the same. VTEC only engages when you have enough oil in your car. When oil reaches a certain temperature it increases in pressure and sends a signal to the ECU to say yep, I'm ready. Sounds as if you were under on oil originally. You must check the oil very often on VTEC engines as some use loads, some don't.

You should have waited for the oil to settle for about 10 minutes before checking it and then topping up if necessary. You may have overfilled it which is just as bad as running on low oil.

As for the dealer you took it to, can you confirm if they took the car out for a drive? As if they say they revved it to 8000rpm in the workshop, well with the K20 it's impossible unless it's on a rolling road as the ECU won't let you go above a certain rpm when under (I think) 2 mph, ie in idle. This should be the same for your engine. I think that your ECU may be back in limp home mode.

Between now and when you get it booked into System R I'd only use the car if you absolutely have to, and then keep the revs down and drive like a fanny. Leave it to Paul there mate, he knows his stuff and should be able to sort you out with a better answer then most can give you on the forums.

Moral of this post is to check your oil OFTEN!
 
Thanks for the informative reply, Chris.

Just rang System-R and got the BT call minder, so I guess they're probably closed now until New Year :(

I'm reasonably clear on how the VTEC/High Cam works on oil pressure, but unfortunately hadn't checked it since picking it up on Monday night, and having this problem. I naively thought the dealer I bought the car from would have filled it up. When I stopped at the garage to top it up, I only put 1 litre in so that shouldn't have been too much. And then the main dealer 'topped it up'.

The dealer did not take the car out, and I'm 95% sure he said they'd revved it up to 8k in the workshop and all was ok. The guy was a tit anyway, so on top of him lying to me I will not be taking the car back there.

I'll try System-R again later on, and after today I'll use my Vectra 2.0DTi Elegance (100bhp, 47mpg!) :lol: until the beast is fixed. I just hope it's nothing serious. :cry:

Thanks again

Dan

Update
Just spoken to the main dealer in Warrington who I'd spoken to last week, and he's said I can drop it there tonight and they'll have a look at it tomorrow. The diagnostic charge is only £39, which I'm happy to pay rather than wait until 2nd Jan when System-R might be open again.
 
Well I hope you get the blokes name from the dealer first time round. If he said that he'd revved it up to 8K in the workshop then you might have a case if anything is wrong with your engine.
 
Sounds odd, may be worth giving your car a service... Was it serviced when you bought it? What oil was used? I would have thought the best oil to use (assuming it's like the K20) would be 5W-40 rather than the 5W-30, but I could be wrong (check with System-r or ask 'oilman' on this forum).

On another note, you'll never get VTEC to operate while the vehicle is stationary. so the dealer would not be able to simulate the changeover into the high lift VTEC lobe (unless it was wheels off ground on a ramp?! :? ).

If there were no other fault codes except low oil warning, it should rule out the VTEC solenoid not opening. But it may be worth asking for it to be checked out.

Another possibilitity might be an oil pressure leak to the rocker arm assembly... badly seated o ring, seal etc. causing an incorrect pressure. Has the car had any top end engine work done recently?

As for who to use... I'm not a fan of main dealers. Even when quoting chassis numbers in the past they've managed to supply me with the wrong parts. I tend to find you're speaking to people who service cars and do warranty work... I've much more confidence in a company like System-R, who specialise in Performance Japanese Cars, and Honda's in particular, looking at my car... They're a 130 mile round trip for me, but they know their onions, and if I have any big probs or big mods, :D , it goes there! 8)

Persevere with ringing them too, It's often busy (but you're right, they may be closed for xmas).
 
Judderman, thanks very much for your reply.

I've dropped the car off at Lookers in Warrington tonight, and they will have a look at it tomorrow.

The car was serviced at 73k, and it had 77k on when I bought it. All that was done at that service was Oil/Filter (doesn't say what brand, but cost £38.75+VAT), Spark Plugs, Brake Fluid, Screenwash. However, the service before that done at 68k was a Timing Belt change and a 'Belt, Timing 155YU @ £29.79' whatever that may be, Oil/Filter (Castrol GTX Magnatec).

Thanks for confirming the VTEC whilst stationary thing, I think it was a case of someone talking shite because it was near Xmas and they just wanted rid of me.

I'll wait to see what they say tomorrow. If it was any other time of the year I wouldn't hesitate to use System-R, but I really want to get the car sorted this week so it's had to go to main stealer. It'll be mod-time come January so I'll be taking it over there then no doubt!

Thanks again

Dan
 
efcmandan said:
Hey Tumble, thanks for the quick reply. I've seen you on the atr.org.uk forum, but I can only access that from home. For some reason it is blocked here on the work firewall, due to 'pornographic content'! :lol:


pornographic content - that'll be our "photo of your other half" thread, I knew we should of stipulated they had to be clothed :lol:
 
Little Legs said:
efcmandan said:
Hey Tumble, thanks for the quick reply. I've seen you on the atr.org.uk forum, but I can only access that from home. For some reason it is blocked here on the work firewall, due to 'pornographic content'! :lol:


pornographic content - that'll be our "photo of your other half" thread, I knew we should of stipulated they had to be clothed :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Any links to the "Pics of other half thread"? :oops: I do hope its pics of youe female partners and not some gory mutilation pics :wink: :D
 
obbzi said:
Any links to the "Pics of other half thread"? :oops: I do hope its pics of youe female partners and not some gory mutilation pics :wink: :D

Heheh, I searched for it. I don't think it exists.
 
obbzi said:
Any links to the "Pics of other half thread"? :oops: I do hope its pics of youe female partners and not some gory mutilation pics :wink: :D

LMAO :lol: ...............No, it does'nt exist :wink:
 
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