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Some comments fron CTRO.
The FN2 Concept was extremely close to the production vehicle and you know what happened there. A lot of people said the concept looked gash, so what did Honda do, they made it anyway.
With the new Concept the majority of people, including me said "Wow, that looks EPIC, me want!" And what did Honda do then? That's right, they said oh, hang on, they like it... Er... lets not make that, lets change it and screw it up.
It looks like someone bought a standard civic, modified the front end, then ran out of cash. That front bumper and arch, then that rear arch. Serious fail there. I could accept the spoiler due to legal restrictions, but that rear arch is tragic.
The front end looks good and is pretty close to the concept, the rear end is shocking and those rear guards look ugly.
I hope someone from honda is reading this.... why wouldn't they at least have the flared rear guards with the vents in them, it would of looked good if these had of stayed.
Don't watch the robbery advert again if you intend on buying this car
Watch the school run instead
That last sentence of yours is exactly why this one needed to have a bit more in terms of looks. There are lots of other options. From concept to this is bait-and-switch. The lack of the concepts flared wheel arches will probably cost Honda many thousands of sales.
It does look a little odd. The front wheel arches look flared, the rears like flat.
Me talking now, if the production model had been like the blue one I'd have been interested.
The FN2 Concept was extremely close to the production vehicle and you know what happened there. A lot of people said the concept looked gash, so what did Honda do, they made it anyway.
With the new Concept the majority of people, including me said "Wow, that looks EPIC, me want!" And what did Honda do then? That's right, they said oh, hang on, they like it... Er... lets not make that, lets change it and screw it up.
It looks like someone bought a standard civic, modified the front end, then ran out of cash. That front bumper and arch, then that rear arch. Serious fail there. I could accept the spoiler due to legal restrictions, but that rear arch is tragic.
The front end looks good and is pretty close to the concept, the rear end is shocking and those rear guards look ugly.
I hope someone from honda is reading this.... why wouldn't they at least have the flared rear guards with the vents in them, it would of looked good if these had of stayed.
Don't watch the robbery advert again if you intend on buying this car
Watch the school run instead
HondaType wrote:I don't get the hate. It's got plenty of power/torque, massive brakes, a Limited Slip Diff, what looks like a very nice interior and it certainly won't be mistaken for a bland Euro box on the M25. If you get all that for £30k, then maybe some people also want the moon on a stick as well?!
There was always going to be something for car enthusiasts to complain about it. The hot hatch market has never had it so good.
There was always going to be something for car enthusiasts to complain about it. The hot hatch market has never had it so good.
That last sentence of yours is exactly why this one needed to have a bit more in terms of looks. There are lots of other options. From concept to this is bait-and-switch. The lack of the concepts flared wheel arches will probably cost Honda many thousands of sales.
It does look a little odd. The front wheel arches look flared, the rears like flat.
Me talking now, if the production model had been like the blue one I'd have been interested.
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I've done some man maths.
I'm counting on a few assumptions here so it could all be wrong but...
A 1yr old FK2 GT, maybe £26K (20% depreciation in yr 1)
Add 2yrs extended Honda warranty £600
less my Croakus in 3yrs time -£11k
Giving balance to finance of £15,600.
The best deal on Comparethemeerkat is Norton at 4% over 4 years (amount of warranty now left) is £351.70 per month.
That's still a **** ton of money for a Honda, plus in 3 years who knows what the interest rates will be.
I'm counting on a few assumptions here so it could all be wrong but...
A 1yr old FK2 GT, maybe £26K (20% depreciation in yr 1)
Add 2yrs extended Honda warranty £600
less my Croakus in 3yrs time -£11k
Giving balance to finance of £15,600.
The best deal on Comparethemeerkat is Norton at 4% over 4 years (amount of warranty now left) is £351.70 per month.
That's still a **** ton of money for a Honda, plus in 3 years who knows what the interest rates will be.
About the same as it is here,,, not good
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its not a production car, its development.
It's got a roll cage making it stiffer, probably all sorts of little things that wouldn't even go near the final car including super sticky tyres. Rather than posting a super tuned version, they should have run a production. I doubt that will be anywhere close to the video, so what's the point? I think a 911 will be faster. I'd certainly rather have a 911!
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Probably still waiting to do their big, exclusive, Honda-approved reveal of the new car.
Said this over on Civinfo, but no-one on here has mentioned it either - what about the variance in the driver? I used the example that if Hamilton was in the Seat Leon and Vettel was in the CTR, the Seat would probably be faster over the 8 minutes as Hamilton is a far better driver. Thoughts?
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A few things I will say and I will probably get flamed. Technology to go this fast costs a lot of money. If any of you have built a track car using brand new high quality, and I mean high quality not micky mouse budget parts, will realise that the asking price, while high, isn't that unreasonable. Hell, it's quicker than a Porsche that would cost twice the money. Ok, it doesn't look as 'wow' as a Porsche, but personally I am starting to like it a lot now i've seen it properly. Those brakes alone can't be far off off £3k? I reckon if you add it all up parts wise you would figure it's about right. A few pages back someone suggested an Audi TT instead of this. Really?? I am not sure many people get the point of this car...
Hell, a Renanultsport Megan is what, the best part of £25k new?? At least you get build quality and reliabitly with the type r. A ten year old Renault will be fooked, whereas this will still probably be spot on. I know my ten year old EP3 had only two rattles and zero mechanical issues. It still drove like a new car. I have just sold the EP and bought a Clio cup 200, and it's pretty much new. Has more rattles already than the EP. I am debating whether it's actually as fun too (you didn't hear me say that!)
I can undersrand people beefing about the aesthetics and the fact the design hasn't remained exactly as per the concept (me included), but the performance of it surely has to be appreciated. Modern people are so hard to please and sometimes don't appreciate how good they've got it!
I like it now. Seeing it in the video and the look of it in the background of the unveiling video, it just looks fat at the front. Really looking forward to seeing it reviewed by Evo and Top gear, and seeing the Stig give it a spanking around the test track.
If you want status and to fit in with your neighbours, buy a BMW or Audi rep wagon, if you want enjoyment and racing pedigree, get one of these. I saw a recent evo review on the Audi RS3 (Chris Harris) and he didn't rate it really. Go figure. Be really interesting to see what he thinks of this beast!
The only criticism I would put forward is that while Honda claim the cage adds no rigidity, even a simple bolt in cage does improve handling. I know because i've fitted one in a previous car and experienced the change personally. I would imagine they bolted it to plates welded to the chassis, in which case it would almost certainly add some rigidity, even if only a small amount. But when chasing times and seconds are involved, it all adds up. Was the Megans time for a fully stock vehicle? And the Cupra? Those are the only other cars with similar times right? They also don't mention what tyres are used on the test lap. That also makes a huge difference. Still, it's a great achievement for Honda nevertheless, and if they can replicate the performance with a fully stock produciton vehicle all the internet warriors and naysayers will have to eat their words. Go on Honda do it.
Hell, a Renanultsport Megan is what, the best part of £25k new?? At least you get build quality and reliabitly with the type r. A ten year old Renault will be fooked, whereas this will still probably be spot on. I know my ten year old EP3 had only two rattles and zero mechanical issues. It still drove like a new car. I have just sold the EP and bought a Clio cup 200, and it's pretty much new. Has more rattles already than the EP. I am debating whether it's actually as fun too (you didn't hear me say that!)
I can undersrand people beefing about the aesthetics and the fact the design hasn't remained exactly as per the concept (me included), but the performance of it surely has to be appreciated. Modern people are so hard to please and sometimes don't appreciate how good they've got it!
I like it now. Seeing it in the video and the look of it in the background of the unveiling video, it just looks fat at the front. Really looking forward to seeing it reviewed by Evo and Top gear, and seeing the Stig give it a spanking around the test track.
If you want status and to fit in with your neighbours, buy a BMW or Audi rep wagon, if you want enjoyment and racing pedigree, get one of these. I saw a recent evo review on the Audi RS3 (Chris Harris) and he didn't rate it really. Go figure. Be really interesting to see what he thinks of this beast!
The only criticism I would put forward is that while Honda claim the cage adds no rigidity, even a simple bolt in cage does improve handling. I know because i've fitted one in a previous car and experienced the change personally. I would imagine they bolted it to plates welded to the chassis, in which case it would almost certainly add some rigidity, even if only a small amount. But when chasing times and seconds are involved, it all adds up. Was the Megans time for a fully stock vehicle? And the Cupra? Those are the only other cars with similar times right? They also don't mention what tyres are used on the test lap. That also makes a huge difference. Still, it's a great achievement for Honda nevertheless, and if they can replicate the performance with a fully stock produciton vehicle all the internet warriors and naysayers will have to eat their words. Go on Honda do it.
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I agree with you Lewis completely. Plus, if you spec the list price of the Seat and Golf R, they are at least as dear or dearer. As per the other two lap recorders, they were not bone stock cars, Seat had aircon and stereo removed if I recall correctly, and the Renault has a rear rollcage, don't it
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