Loud creak and gearbox warranty work

[eptrois]

Mine pulls off about an inch off the floor....that can't be right or can it?
It never slips and it pulls well, do you think it may be worth bleeding first?

 

[Loxy]

I've never heard of LUK clutches and Googling them I can't find any Honda K20 fitment ones and ff that is the case it's not OEM specification, Honda can charge you for the gearbox work.

To be honest though that's all hearsay and speculation until you confirm with the garage that fit the clutch which one it was. I don't understand why you haven't just gone back to the original garage who fitted the clutch but have involved a third person/garage/specialist?

Also odd as it might sound, K20 clutches don't tend to slip even when they are worn and need replacing, they just get gradually harder and harder to change gear. They will eventually slip when they are completely gone, but by that point you would have had it changed due to gear changing issues anyway.

Mine pulls off about an inch off the floor....that can't be right or can it?
It never slips and it pulls well, do you think it may be worth bleeding first?

Always worth checking there is enough fluid in the system.

 

[Griffin]

Mine pulls off about an inch off the floor....that can't be right or can it?
It never slips and it pulls well, do you think it may be worth bleeding first?

Its always worth bleeding as its the cheapest route but when the biting point becomes close to the floor it is because the finger release springs in the clutch are worn/weak and the clutch needs replacing.

I had to replace mine because of this reason

 

[dweezle]

I've never heard of LUK clutches and Googling them I can't find any Honda K20 fitment ones and ff that is the case it's not OEM specification, Honda can charge you for the gearbox work.

To be honest though that's all hearsay and speculation until you confirm with the garage that fit the clutch which one it was. I don't understand why you haven't just gone back to the original garage who fitted the clutch but have involved a third person/garage/specialist?

Also odd as it might sound, K20 clutches don't tend to slip even when they are worn and need replacing, they just get gradually harder and harder to change gear. They will eventually slip when they are completely gone, but by that point you would have had it changed due to gear changing issues anyway.



Always worth checking there is enough fluid in the system.

The reason i went to a specialist was because its all he fits and fixes and can tell instantly where the problem is and its 15mins from my work (only found out about him today else i would of used him) and my garage is closer if i was at home (which i wasn't), plus i wanted solid proof that if the clutch was faulty i had ammo to take back to my garage but it turned out the clutch was fine. I've just got back from my garage for the clutch brand and its an ADL BLUEPRINT clutch kit and its the right clutch for my car, and the blueprint website is for japanese, korean, and american cars. They even rang there gearbox people and explained my problems and they said it sounds to be the shaft bearing?? and the clutch and oil would not cause them.

 

[Loxy]

Glad you got it sorted then.

Softer and more travel, almost to the floor compared to your mate's FN2, but there's nothing wrong with it according to the clutch specialist.

I hope you get the rest of your issues sorted with the dealer now then.

 

[dweezle]

Gearbox not warranteed

Well bad news there saying wrong oil used (there saying its rear differential oil) which has caused over heating in the gearbox and caused problems and its potentially a new gear box (i only took it in for the odd gear selection issues and popping out of 3rd) and if it was knackered surely the problems would be more serious than i was experiencing. So i rang the clutch garage to let them know, they checked there records and realised they didn't change the oil they actually re-used it (the receptionist told me the other week they would have used like for like) but didn't know until now they hadn't touched it (checked my bill and they are right) .They then rang there gearbox specailist explaining the situation and they said even if the wrong oil was used it would not cause the problems im having all it would do is make selection tight for about 15mins whilst the oil warmed up. So i rang HONDA UK to let them know my problem they said ring the dealer back and explain to them first, and thats what i did my god he became a right snotty b***ard. I told him "they re-used the oil" he said "that cant be done", i then said "dont forget i originally brought the car in last december for this problem and you told me it was the clutch so i had that done and its still happening" he says "yeah you brought it in for gear selection problems this is a bearing noise" (they told me this was the problem last week when i once again brought it in for selection problems) he then goes "well they have soon changed there story they said they used MTF3 now there saying they didn't touch it" told him "the receptionist didn't know until they checked there records and they rang there gearbox specialist and the wrong oil would not cause these problems" he goes all snotty and says "yes it would using the wrong oil would cause the box to overheat and cause severe damage blah blah" anyway i tell him my garage is ringing him up tomorrow to send there gearbox people out he goes i'll look forward to speaking to them. So that is basically it for now, let my garage ring them up and wait for an outcome in the morning. My garage said if at the end of it ask them to put it back together then pick my car up tell them im not paying for work they haven't done (£600) and to take it to them and they will sort it out for me. New gearbox my a**e

 

[Hazz]

Could be a job for the financial ombudsman if it turns into a bum fight between Honda and gearbox place. Sounds like its on them to pay up for bad working practice to me.

Keep a log of all the conversations you have with the two parties mate, it will help if it turns nasty.

 

[dweezle]

Could be a job for the financial ombudsman if it turns into a bum fight between Honda and gearbox place. Sounds like its on them to pay up for bad working practice to me.

Keep a log of all the conversations you have with the two parties mate, it will help if it turns nasty.

I wont let it get that far nor will my garage that did the clutch, im annoyed at both parties really but im more annoyed at honda that they had the car all day and rang me at 5 saying they haven't stripped it and only took the top off, so 8hrs doing what exactly and they knew i would have to rush around ringing people up before they close. My problem with them is they knew i took it in for that problem in december and replaced the clutch like they said and took it back for the same issues for them to tell me there's a bearing noise and this is causing the problem, but now he's saying i brought it in this time for the bearing noise (only because this is what they told me was causing the problems) and the wrong oil has potentially knackered my gearbox (which has to be an exaggeration) my gear issues were minor i just wanted it sorted before my warranty runs out. Car is on just over 23'000 i got the car off a normal car dealer (not honda) he buys ex finance cars off dealers so that will go against me, but on the ownership previous owner is HONDA so should they have let a car go without checking it??

 

[dweezle]

HELP gearbox oil

Posted elsewere as well but i need help before i ring honda early, they wont warranty my gearbox as its the wrong oil they said it should be MTF3 but there saying it has rear differential oil in it but i've just realised my car is a fn2 champ white which has the limited slip differential so will the gearbox oil be different to the standard type r, and if so then it is the correct oil

 

[al_typeR]

No it should be the same oil IE MTF3. Rear diff oil will be far to thick i would have thought.

 

[dweezle]

Im not sure at the minute i was up till 3 searching the net and found that if you have LSD then your oil has to be thicker and isn't the same as the standard gearbox oil

 

[Loxy]

It's standard Honda MTF3 gearbox oil that goes in a gearbox regardless of whether it has an LSD or not.

This stuff: http://www.coxmotorparts.co.uk/genuine-honda-mtf3-manual-transmission-fluid-1-litre-p-827.html

Differential oil is meant to go in the diff on something like a rear wheel drive car, which has a diff at the end of a prop shaft separate from the gearbox. It's a completely different setup to a diff integrated into a gearbox like you have on the K20.

 

[dweezle]

Oh im confused now i thought i had them by there balls, some sites are saying MTF3 is not good enough for LSD and i've just been on opie oils and for the champ white with LSD its telling me the oil should be 0w-30 which is different to the non LSD type r?

 

[Chris.]

MTF3 is good enough for a diff, stop asking the same question.

You shouldn't really use anything else in a Honda 'box.

 

[dweezle]

MTF3 is good enough for a diff, stop asking the same question.

You shouldn't really use anything else in a Honda 'box.

WOW im sorry but as honda are telling me i may need a brand new gearbox im a bit worried at the minute and i've not changed the box oil its whats been in there since i've owned it

 

[Chris.]

Then take it back to the garage who fitted the clutch and find out what oil they used, if incorrect, get them to fix it.

If you trust this garage so much, why do you keep taking your car to Honda? :?

 

[dweezle]

Warranty job on the gearbox popping out of 3rd and sometimes hard to find gear?? the garage who did the clutch put the same oil in they took out

 

[Chris.]

Warranty job only applies to 2007 cars iirc, not 2009.

As for your garage putting in the same oil, well, that's just stupid. They should have used fresh oil.

 

[dweezle]

I know its only 2007 models but as there have been more and more posts of 09 models having the same problem i took it in, and they said it sounds like a warranty job and as for my garage i know they should of used new oil and they are ringing them today but im just trying to find some info before this gets out of my hands, im now thinking of just paying honda the £600 to put the top back on and replacing the oil to MTF3 see where it gets me as like i said before the issues were minor so cant see the box being knackered. And im sorry for repeating but this has been a total shock being told i may need a new box pending on when they strip it and could cost me thousands

 

[dweezle]

If anyone is bothered i've just rang honda and for £360 they will put it back together and put MTF3 in there for me to see if that solves my problems, i then rang the garage that did the clutch and they said if it doesn't cure it they will get the box looked at for me. so £360 is better than 600 so im semi happy